@brrip damn, that was meant to be targetted at currentsupply

@brrip

@Lucas I have to admit, if its a good resistive screen, I have no problems. I'll take a good resistive over a bad capacitive any day.

On the other hand, mid-range capacitive screens vs. good resistive and there is no question, I'm choosing the capacitive one.
Updates: http://bit.ly/nokia-nuron-5230-concepts

@currentsupply

I disagree.

@currentsupply

pfft..............

Too big? Too heavy? For who?

I think I can handle the few extra mm and grams with my giant man hands

@00shitz

Agreed. Maybe it is time that he upgraded his hands to 'man-size' .

@New Reformation

Maybe it's the warm climate here, I like to wear shorts a lot, and big phones make my pockets swing.

@currentsupply

You do realize the HD2 and Nexus One are quite similar, correct?

Let's see a 4" screen on a 120gram phone.

@New Reformation

Lol "Agreed. Maybe it is time that he upgraded his hands to 'man-size' .:" with that quote u said I Immediately thought of the Burger King commercial with tiny hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_bE7g2wqM&feature=related

@scoobydooby Themselves.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=MOT

@young hov 718

People who don't have or want sprint?

@y3knik

How do you figure no multitasking? My WinMo 6.0 multitasks.

@Slick

My HD has 6.5 install and it multi tasks as well. But MSFT wants to take 7 into the main stream and make it iPhone like. The latest rumors are the apps will have push notification only but no true multitasking.

Read the link I posted as a source!

@boe Then you haven't tried TouchDown on Android. Three words: a-ma-zing! Even though it might run you $15 or so, it is head and shoulders above anything WinMo has to offer. FFS, you can even search your corporate global address book, let's see Pocket Outlook do that. It even works with the OWA Exchange back-end, if your company refuses to enable ActiveSync (like mine). However, if they do enable it, you get true push notifications, and your Android phone is turned into a BB on steroids. My wife's university has Exchange 2007 with AS on, and it works fabulously with her G1. Add Documents To Go into the mix and you've got a complete office in your pocket solution. WinMo can't touch that!

@patsy I have tried touchdown - it is a great program and does everything that WM handles natively and Android should be doesn't. Only problem is since touchdown isn't native -

1. It has one interface for everything so the display space isn't nearly as efficient as independent native apps

2. You have to pay extra for the same features built into just about every other OS including iphone, WM etc.

@patsy BTW - as far as searching your global address book - perhaps you haven't tried WM - perhaps you should. I'm running 6.5 and it sure does - it has had that feature since 6.0

@patsy You may already know this but in the event you didn't, you can also search the exchange server - through ALL of your e-mail, years and years worth from your WM phone for anything just by putting in unique word that won't appear in all your e-mails such as kalamazoo and it can search 5 plus years worth of e-mail in seconds.

@patsy Touchdown also keeps your outlook contacts within the application and separate from your phone contacts. I'd rather have a business phone OS that mesh's with my work and not need 3rd party software as a crutch. Having a Touch Pro2, Droid Eris and Motorola Droid, Sense on WinMo murders their offering on Android but the offerings in the Android Market offers tons of fun and enjoyment so it really depends if you use a phone more for work or play.

@boe I was on WM for many, many years before jumping to the G1, since the very old pre-phone days. I still have an HX-4700 running 6.1, an iPAQ 4350, and an MDA updated to 6.5. Outlook never worked for me because our company refuses to enable mobile device support for "security reasons" and it doesn't support the WebDAV interface (to my knowledge anyway). Besides, it's ugly as sin and has the most awkward usability. In fact, as of just a few months ago there was still no OWA compatible email app available on WinMo. If you know of one please let me know, a couple of friends would be highly interested.

I'm not sure what the comment about the less efficient display space use of TouchDown was about, I think it's a beautiful app with good use of the screen. More elegant and functional even than the built-in Gmail.

Oh, and 3rd party apps are "crutches"?! LOL, that's a new one to me. Since when is the OS supposed to address every possible need a user has? Independent apps are precisely what makes these advanced phone OSs so flexible and attractive. Take the built-in Google calendar app for example, which I think sucks major ass in terms of looks and usability. I can hardly wait for somebody to come and blow it out of the water, and I couldn't care less that it's a "crutch" app--as long as it syncs Google Calendar properly.

All in all I would love the HD2 running Android. It's a gorgeous device with a massive screen that should fly running 2.1. I was just sick and tired of constantly playing memory management on WinMo--having to kill tasks because IE or Live Search or whatever used too much memory and the OS refused to start another app. That's one of the major flaws of WinMo, no clearly defined app life cycle, so it just starts them and doesn't know what to do when it runs out of resources. HTC and others are trying to address that with tacked-on resource managers; if you want to talk about crutches, those are REAL crutches. Having to add custom apps that add low level missing OS functionality, that's just pathetic.

@teh jughead TouchDown has an option to sync its phonebook with the native one. It's just not something I choose to do because the structure of Exchance and Gmail contacts is so different, I'm afraid of seriously mangling up my Gmail address book.

@boe Android with Touchdown would meet your needs most likely. If you haven't tried it you should. I was quite skeptical that an app could make it usable, but it really does wonders.

@RandomGuy Boe indicated that he has used TouchDown, so I'm sure he's familiar with it. I'm just puzzled by his distinction of "native" versus "non-native" apps. More correct would be "out of the box" apps. Corporate email access isn't an OS functionality anyway, unless one gets very vague with the definition of what an OS is.

@patsy I didn't say anything about 3rd party apps being crutches. I will detail why I don't like touchdown although it is a very good app for fixing my biggest issue with the current android OS.

If I click on calendar on an iphone or WM - that is all it is is the calendar - not a hey here is your entry point to a 3rd party app - pick what you need to go to and we'll eventually fill the screen with your calendar. I do not have an android phone in front of me so I'm limited in how much detail I can go into but with WM for example - I click on my contact, calendar and e-mail icon and they go directly to that app and only that app so the entire screen has full use of that function immediately.

As for security - your IT department is a bunch of idiots - if you use OMA you can increase the security of your phone. Your SSL and OMA give you secured access to e-mail. YOu can immediately disable your phone and wipe the content remotely in the event you lose it. I would consider touchdown a bigger security risk than not enforcing OMA security.

@boe Sorry about the crutch thing, I was responding somewhat collectively to a couple of folks there. OK, your comment about separate apps makes more sense now. I do not share the objection, but I understand what you don't like.

Regarding OMA, I talked to a couple of the folks in IT and the main objection to turning it on is that there is no universal way to enforce remote wiping and password protection across devices--even just within the WinMo family. Apparently it's too easy to disable any such protections, and they're concerned about phones with sensitive emails being lost. Fair enough, but enabling OWA lets people essentially do the same thing, only more awkwardly, so they still have a security hole.

@boe But you do realize that in Android Phones that option to pick a native or 3rd party app for functionality only comes up once, you pick which app you want as the default and that's it. You no longer get that prompt unless you clear defaults under settings. So if you want Touchdown or any other 3rd party calendar, mail client etc to run as default without the extra prompt, Android certainly allows for this once the user defines which app they prefer. Once it sets, the 3rd party app will run as if it is native to Android.

@Slick

indicate that*

@DigitalEdge

Amen! I'm switching from ATT to get this phone the day it comes out. and i never thought about what you said about the phone being pictured with a black screen on the t-mo website. thats a very interesting point.

@DigitalEdge

i really hope this phone gets T-Mobile more customers as well, i don't like this whole talk of an IPO. BUT, it won't get them much if they do not promote it. Thats T-Mobile's problem, they need to promote the beast phones they get, though this is probably their only official beast phone.

They're promotion team really sucks ass.

@resource

with you on this one; are we the only people wondering where this is? better camera/flash than the hd2 (albeit smaller screen) and android to silence all the wm complaining..seems like a win-win to me! but i was hoping for it in march alongside the hd2..looks like that's not happening now :\

@resource

I'm quite disappointed as well, every site was saying march and i'm really past due for an upgrade, imo tmob doesn't have an android phone that's really great yet and the motoroi would be that phone

@marsmissions
Word "Nuron" also exists, just google it. but there is no meaning, i could find.